Episode 4: Leave your Ego at the Door | Tasha Davis and Carin Chantel

Tasha Davis, color specialist, small business owner and well versed Professional currently offering her beautiful services in Georgia. Join me as I get to know her and we open up about our different experiences getting licensed at different times in our lives. This conversation will continue into a Part 2, and again when we touch base for an encore in January 2023.

In In this Part 1 of our first conversation Tasha talks about the Hunger Years, what she's learned working for Redken and Paul Mitchell as a Color Specialist and why its so very important to know, " that once you are completely grounded in color theory, you can do anything with hair color."

You will hear a part of my story as I speak a little bit on my Dissociative Disorder and how learning about it helped me succeed in school and finally pursue my passions for hair.

This is our warm up conversation and I look forward to more conversations with this human because her voice brings a smile to my face and getting vulnerable with Tasha is a breath of fresh air experience. Enjoy, let us know what you think and what you would like to hear more of.

Find Tasha on IG @auntiehaircoach for coaching. @auntiehairfairy for her services, and @salonlocator for her directory connecting Clients to the right stylist for them. Tasha has a delightful podcast as well please check it out on Spotify @ Thairapysessions

Tasha: You know? And then when it, and then when you asked, you know, "have you ever told your story?" I'm like, not only have I never told my story, but it never occurred to me to tell my story. So thank you for asking me.

Chantel: You're welcome. 

Tasha: Thank you. 

Chantel: I feel the same way. When you asked me if I wanted to get interviewed as well, I'm like,

Chantel: I've never, like, why hasn't that crossed my mind or to even try to get on someone else's podcast? Which is neat about us that our focus is on the other person. Like, what can I help bring out of someone else that's gonna help someone else? And that I'm like the person to merge the wisdom with the person who needs it.

Tasha: Yeah. Well, and the beautiful thing about this industry right, is that like, we're constantly learning. So even after all these years, if I don't learn something, I kind of feel like that day was a wash almost. So I, it's really about like curiosity and, and I wanna take something. Out of the convers, you know what I mean?

Tasha: I wanna have that little nugget of knowledge that I didn't have before we got started. So, And it's just genuine curiosity in people too. Like people are interesting, Right? People's stories are interesting. So... 

Chantel: I'm glad we share that. I find stories really interesting. yeah. Hmm.

Chantel: I think I would like to start, kind of with what you're doing right now, and what you're building right now and how your experience has gotten you to this point of new direction with you and your business partner and deciding like, we're come, we've come out of the pandemic.

Chantel: Speaking for you. Like I've had my experience in these different things. How that got you to here, where you feel like you're using your experience to start this new chapter

Tasha: . So, where I am now, I feel like it's kind of an accumulation of, a combination of things, right?

Tasha: So, I've been a hair stylist for 27 years. I've been behind the chair for 27 years. But I've also done, as you mentioned before, education and salon management and, all just all kinds of things I've done, like all of the things. and so I've always known that I'm not gonna be able to stand behind the chair forever.

Tasha: Right. And so, it's always been kind of this, this thing in the back of my mind, like, I'm not gonna be able to stand behind the chair forever. What does that transition look like? And so when the pandemic happened in 2020

Tasha: In Indiana, we were closed for three months and my husband at the time was also self-employed and his contract got canceled, so he was also home. So we're just home in the house. like the tick song in the house and in house board, you know. So, you know, education starts popping off everywhere.

Tasha: You know, we got to literally sit and kinda watch the evolution of the industry in real time. and in the back of my mind, I'm still thinking, what does my next phase look like? So I actually already had Trims On A Whim, has actually been in existence since 2001. So even as I was working as a district manager for the corporate salon, I was also traveling to people and doing hair for them in their homes, in hospital rooms. Um, there, there was an oh, what did they do? Engineer There was an engineer firm. All they did was work and they would have me come in and I would cut their hair, like in the boardroom.

so I was traveling to people for a while and then I was just saving that money. and where I was working at the time was just super toxic. And, long story short, one day I'd had a really bad day. I called my husband, he gave me the green light to quit my job. I quit my job and less than 20 days later, I had opened. Trims On A Whim as a brick and mortar, and that was in 2011 as a brick and mortar storefront salon.

Tasha: At that point, my intention was for it to be. A chain of salons, but I wanted it to be kind of a different experience than the chains that exist now. I didn't want it to be Great Clips or Super Cuts or, you know, Fantastic Sams. I didn't want that.

Tasha: I want, you know, when you go like into a franchise, right? And like, say you go into a Walmart or I don't know what kind of grocery stores you guys have in California, Kroger, everything looks the same, right? Yeah. you know, the bread's always on aisle three and the, you know, whatever. I didn't want that. I wanted Trims On A Whim to be, a chain of salons that was started by stylist, owned by hair stylist, managed by hair stylist, and that we were gonna throw all of the best practices out the window, right? Like the things that you're not supposed to talk about in the salon, we're gonna talk about 'em and whatever the dress code is supposed to be, we're not doing that. We're, we're doing what we want. You know what feels good. So post pandemic, now the salons are opening back up.

Tasha: We're going back in and it's a much different environment than it was pre pandemic, even in that three months because now people have been locked in the house for three months. they've been on the internet talking crazy to people. We've watched Brianna Taylor and George Floyd and like everything that happened with that.

Tasha: Like, there's just all of this stuff, right? 

Tasha: I just decided that it was time for me to start transitioning out of from behind the chair. at that same time, I decided that I was moving to Georgia, which is where I live now. I was in Indiana during the pandemic, now I live in Georgia. I decided that I no longer wanted for Trims On A Whim to be a chain.

Tasha: I wanted it to be a brand. So instead of Trims On A Whim being a chain, I've moved now into, it's called the salon locator.com. That's the new business that's opening hopefully here in November and it's basically a

Tasha: directory. So 

Chantel: The idea is great. 

Tasha: Yeah, so it's a directory, all of that long story to tell you thesalonlocator.com is a directory that I'm hoping to connect hair stylist who specialize in whatever their specialty is. Not even hair stylist; cosmetologists, beauty professionals. and this is what came to me during, during the pandemic, during lockdown, connecting professionals with clients who are looking for people who specialize in what they're looking for. Professionals can fill their chairs and clients can find people who specialize in their niche.
So there's that and then of course I'm also with my podcast; I’m moving into just sharing the knowledge that comes with being in the industry for 27 years and trying to give to stylists what I needed, you know, when I was new to the industry, even when I wasn't so new. You know? 

Chantel: Yeah. We need help

Tasha: And there's so much information out there. I can't imagine, cuz you know, when I started doing hair, there was barely even internet. I mean, not to date myself, but like the internet barely existed. Social media definitely didn't exist. We had chat rooms and we weren't talking about hair in chat rooms.

Chantel: Did you want me to ask you the next one? 

Tasha: No, I was just about to ask how you feel about me introducing you now. 

Chantel: Oh yeah. 

Tasha: And okay. All right, so welcome to Therapy Sessions. I'm your host, Auntie Hair Coach, and I help stylist discover your unique brand and use it to disrupt the industry. Today we're chatting with Hair stylist, health advocate and podcast host from Hair Stories With Chantel. Her name is Carin Chantel, and Chantel has entered the chat. Welcome Chantel. I'm so excited to talk with you today.

Chantel: I'm so excited too. Thank you. 

Tasha: Yes. So the way that we met was kind of funny, and we'll talk about that here in a little bit. But, I really just want to understand who you are. I know you're a hair stylist, but I think that you told me that you are actually kind of late to the industry.
Tell us how old you are and how old you were when you got into the industry, and what made you to decide to be a cosmetologist. 

Chantel: So, I've, I'm gonna answer the last question and then work back. I have always wanted to cut hair and have my hands and hair. There's pictures of me as like a little person and my hands were often I someones hair, and I always remember this fascination. I don't know if I saw it on TV and was like, you know, as a little girl, like, what, what is that? And is that something I can do? yeah, I already was feeling, into texture and maybe that's part of my, creative side or I don't know, a little autistic, but I was definitely into the texture of hair as some people say, ‘the fabric of hair’.
It was always there. I always remember, wanting to get a curling iron and you know, like, can I curl someone's hair or can I cut it? And was fascinated by shapes. And I think after high school, my other passion was actually; I was thinking about doing radio and was really into radio and film. So my major when I went to college was journalism, broadcasting and that was something where I was like, Ooh, can I just travel the world and get people's stories? So growing up my home life was always a little, privately very rocky for me. So I dropped outta college and was constantly striving for following my dreams. But there was always a situation that would come up where emotionally I couldn't, I couldn't handle it. So I actually had tried cosmetology school in my early twenties. I think the first time I had a drinking problem, my first time getting sober. I was 19. And, I think it took another three or four years for me to really get grounded in my sobriety. So it was a lot dealing with family, being an alcoholic at that age, and, realizing it was more than just a young person's wild times. You know, I like really found myself in those AA rooms and was happy to get sober. still sober today and 

Tasha: Congratulations.

Chantel: I didn't, I didn't finish school. I think this most recent time might have been my third try. I had some things happen in school. I had an instructor, comment on my skin in front of the class and at the time I thought I was doing bad with my grades. Like I would do the hair, the practical, just fine, but when it came to testing, I would just check out and it would take me 17 years before I realized what had happened to me.  I was experiencing, a disassociative disorder. So I went most of my life thinking I'm a little bit
..I, I'm a little bit slow, you know, and that's why I don't test well and kind of thinking I could never go to school. Like I'm never gonna be able to get back into college because my brain just doesn't work like that. It was so weird just coming to terms with that and being like, Okay, I have to get into the workforce. So in a way, it was kind of neat because I got into the health industry. I started working at, Henry's Farmer's Market in the supplement and body care departments. And then, you know, time just went by, it was like seven years later, and I had moved up to manager and was making money. So I was able to like get a place with whoever I was dating. I think almost every day though,  I'd be driving to work or walking and I was thinking about hair , you know, or I would see someone's hair, my hair changed a lot. Anyone that was around me, if they gave me the opportunity to do anything to their hair, I was like; yes, please.

I moved to Oregon, I think I was 34. Moved to Oregon. Had an experience still in the natural, supplement and body care industry, managing stores and, working in departments and training people. And that was a really amazing experience. I decided to come back home and start, start a detox and, you know, just like take care of myself.
I was coming back and I was like, I need to just regroup. And, the job I was doing was not healthy. It was out in the Pacific Palisades and the store had black mold , and I was like, I need to get outta here. 

Tasha: Good. grief, good grief

Chantel: got my credit cards, charged up a bunch of stuff to just start taking care of my body. My mom said I could live with her and it wasn't on my, it wasn't part of the plan, but I said, I'm gonna do this. Then I started working a vitamin representative for a brokerage, which was okay, money.  I was getting to a place where it was like, Okay, I'm gonna move out and start whatever this next chapter is. Then I got laid off and it was 2019 and right before the pandemic, so 2019. There’s always like wild things happening behind the scenes; my mom's house got broken into during the day. That affected me in a certain way. Getting in touch with my own health on different levels. I had started therapy; she was a specialist, and in the conversations we were able to address like, Oh, you had, you know, disassociative disorder and just really where that came from, you know and it's stemming from trauma when you're little and, how to work with it, you know? So all of these doors are opening as...

Tasha: yeah

Chantel: my financial stability door closes, and then I think maybe I should, Is this a sign? I couldn't go back actually, I felt like I was going to die if I reached out and tried to get a Rep job or stay with what I was doing. I was like, I've acquired this,  It set me on a health path, and now I'm like, I can't imagine myself doing it.
Like it made me feel so uncomfortable to think about going back into that. So I said, I think I should go to cosmetology school. Like this is the perfect time. And that's, that's a whole story in itself because I researched all the big schools and, Tony and Guy was always on the radar, but the money was an issue.
I was like, that's, you know, having no money, getting laid off, my credit was okay, but I was like, Oh my gosh, that's gonna be stressful. So I decided to just go to community college. So I signed up for, cosmetology school at Fullerton Fullerton College out here and then the pandemic happened.
So I get an email saying, We're gonna try school online. So cosmetology school through the computer; they had no idea what they were doing. A lot of people said, “you guys don't know what you're doing. We’re not gonna go to school online right now. This is crazy. We'll wait till it opens.”  And I was kind of like; we’ll be back in two months and we weren't back in classrooms in two months.

Because I had already passed, I don't know if I've told anyone this; I had already gone through the program 90%. So I felt like, that muscle memory was nice, but it was still so hard for me. I encountered so many different obstacles. Which you can ask me questions if you want. . It was, I don't, I’m.. Don’t wanna take up the whole interview on the online school obstacles, but 

Tasha: No, you're good and at that, I did not realize that you were going to school during all of that, so I already had questions about the pandemic and how that affected you. so I definitely want to visit that for sure. Thank you for your vulnerability. Wow, that's a lot already . That's good stuff though. Yeah, that's good stuff. 

Chantel: There's a lot as I'm sure for you too, there's like so much, and I could be misreading it, but I feel like you could tell me if I'm wrong. There’s so much of an experience and personality shaping, not just mind shifts shaping that happens as you're working for Paul Mitchell right? Having that experience, coming out of it feeling, I imagine a little bit changed and with different insight. Then going into, managing, Right? So it's you, even traveling and helping people, right? So all of these experiences within them are so many stories. And for us to be talking, and to have to put these little stories…just slam it together. In this little podcast, it’s a little tricky. It's neat, and to kind of like time travel to those spots and be like.. we really are made up of a lot of  different experience. 

Tasha: For sure, and I've already made it up in my mind that I'm perfectly fine If I have to break this down into two or three different or more different episodes just to tackle like each little thing, you know what I mean? Each story independent of each other. I'm okay with that too. I really wanted to, go into this, like I said, just very open and like, it's going to be whatever it's supposed to be, and that's it. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, but you're right. I mean, there's so many different, so many stories. So, do you want me to ask you another question?

Tasha: So I asked how old you were when you went to cosmetology school, so that puts you pretty close to 40 then

Chantel: I just turned 40. October 13th

Tahsa: Oh my gosh, last week.

Chantel: Yeah.

Tasha: Happy, belated. Welcome to your flirty forties . How do you feel about that?

Chantel:  I'm so glad to be an adult and make it this far. Being a kid was hard, you know and I'm kind of like debunking that in therapy, which is really cool. Just feeling so, like I had no control over what was happening. And then in my early twenties, feeling like I then had no control over myself. Drinking and abusing things makes it much worse cuz you're just turning over your control even more and finally, just getting to choose and create your life is so exciting and I honestly never thought I would make it past, like 25.
So getting to be 40; it being rough financially and everything that's happening right now, but feeling just so happy that I have my body, you know, that I wake up and I'm like, I got a body that can move my brain that works and just reminding myself of why I'm lucky. And that feels, I don't know if anyone can relate to that.

Tasha: No, totally, totally. I say all the time that, one of the things that I really enjoy about doing hair is that we all go through things, right? We all have stuff going on in our lives, and our lives are imperfect, and sometimes you wanna scream and all of that. And then I go to the salon and I have someone in my chair and they're telling me about, just the things in their life, right? And you're just like, Oh my gosh, I'm so glad I'm not going through that. You know what I mean? And it just reminds me to be grateful.
What I do for a living really helps keep me grounded in  gratitude because the stories that you hear is like, my life is a train wreck, but it's not that, right? It's not that. so no, I, That's totally relatable. Absolutely.

Chantel: Okay, so I'm gonna ask you, I kind of want to visit just briefly the Paul Mitchell and being a color National Color Educator for them, because I feel like people would be curious what your takeaway.. just without overthinking, you're like this was the biggest takeaway, whether it was a coloring technique or how not to be…

Tasha: Yeah. So I wanna back up a little bit before I answered that part of the question and say that prior to being a Paul Mitchell color educator, I was a Redkin Color Educator, and I started doing that fresh out of the industry, like two years fresh in the industry with my license; did not understand color theory at all.
Like at all. I did not understand. In hindsight, I always say that I was using the apply and pray method because I just didn't understand color theory, coming out of that. There were two things that I took away. One, the reason that I'm no longer educating for Paul Mitchell is because, their lack of diversity really started to bother me, and I know that's weird with me being there. Like that is the diversity. But I feel like the problem was; it was the diversity for me. So it bothered me that I didn’t… at the time…they’ve done better. I wouldn't say significantly, but they've done better, but at the time I wasn't seeing diversity in their models. I wasn't seeing diversity in their ads. I just wasn't seeing diversity and that was frustrating for me, because then when I would go to these events, I'm not seeing other people who look like me.
Representation is important probably the most important lesson that I learned doing cuz it was color education for both Redkin and Paul Mitchell, is that once you are completely grounded in color theory, you can do anything with hair color, like you can create anything. It's so magical. It's just my favorite thing.
Hair color makes me so happy. It's literally my favorite thing. I think that's it. I think I'm getting grounded in color theory and so understanding what I can do with color, what I can't do with color, it helps me draw boundaries with my clients when I'm behind the chair. Cuz you know, I don't know if you've had this yet, but you will, someone will come in or they'll call you or whatever, and they've got, box dye hair.
They've been box dye-ing their hair black for the last 22 years.  They come and they sit in your chair and they show you their inspiration pick and it's platinum blonde and they've got $32 and three hours. . Like, girl, get the hell outta here. You know what I mean? So there was a time where I would really attempt that mm-hmm.
because I felt like, oh, it's the customer and the customer's always right and you have to make them happy, but post education, I understand the importance of boundaries and you know, I think a lot, you know, the clients, they haven't gone to cosmetology school, so maybe they just don't know. You know what I mean?
So using my education to educate my clients in order to have boundaries and manage expectations, that's probably, that's probably the biggest thing I've learned or that I learned. Yeah

Chantel: Would love to see,more of a sharing from hairdressers in general about the time.. I don't know if it's like we're afraid that it's weakness, you know, or that someone's gonna take something from us or judge us, or keep it mysterious because people will try this at home. I don't think if people knew they would try it at home. Cutting and highlights on your own at home can be intense without the right mirrors and angles. It is very time consuming. I think they need to see the mess and all that goes into it, is what I'm saying. And then that helps people understand.. like watching hairdressers and kind of doing it myself even and trying to catch myself break that habit of …don’t put expensive K18 on them and I gave 'em like a $10 conditioning treatment and did all this expensive stuff behind the scene, and I'm like, your hair's safe, and you are good to go. And they are under the impression it was just shampoo condition or wash and, I think it's okay to share sometimes, like we should be sharing what we're thinking maybe with the client. Like… this is the process, your hair wasn't the same hair it was six months ago, or even five years ago, maybe your hormones have changed. Or we encounter that whole, ‘can you do what you did last time’, you know, is like we accidentally have created that client who asks, why can't you do this or that … you know in a few minutes? I personally want to get more comfortable sharing all the products and time and even in brushing our hair. I mean, that could be a whole topic in itself and something that I noticed a lot of people are use to their hair being ripped through or themselves just ripping through their hair.

Tasha: Mm-hmm.

Chantel: or having like that rough hair treatment, whether it's culturally or, or not, it's been kind of established in some people. And it's like, I wanna be gentle with people and like I can detangle without, you know, ripping your hair. 

Tasha: Right. And not only can you detangle that way, but you should detangle that way and here's why.
You know what I mean? I Just did a class, A few days ago, and I was telling them because one of the girls was talking about like selling retail. I don't see myself as a salesperson. That's not my role. That's not what they come to us for.

I see myself as an educator, even still, even when it's a client in my chair, not just a classroom, but when it's a client in my chair, I’m am also an educator, so I approach my clients in that way. So I'm really big on consultations. I will preach that until the day I die. Consultation will save your butt, from yourself.
Like you said, mindful listening during the consultation so that you, your clients will tell you exactly what they need. You know what I mean? So when they sit down and they go, Yeah, as you can see, my hair's really frizzy and like, da, da, da, and you're listening for these buzz words, you know, it's frizzy, it's dry, it's unmanageable.
You're listening for those things and then offering solutions. I'm not selling you anything. I'm offering you a solution to a problem that you're having with your hair. That's why you're here. You know what I mean? Then as far as sharing with other hair stylists, like I said, I just feel like that's my role. That's where I'm gonna tell you the truth. That's why I call myself Auntie Hair Coach. I don't know if you have this auntie, we've got these things that you maybe can't talk to your mom about, right? Like, you can't go to your mom at 19 and be like, ‘Mom, I think I'm an alcoholic.’
You know what I mean? But you might have an aunt that you can go to that will listen to you and not be judgmental and help you find the help that you need. Auntie Hair Coach is my alter ego where I share all of the messy stuff, because at the end of the day, there's enough out here for all of us.

Tasha: There's no reason that we can't share with each other because there's billions, heads of hair. No one person can do them all. And if me sharing information with you, if that helps you and grows you as a stylist, then I feel like that elevates the entire industry. 

Tasha: Yeah.

Tasha: I mean, does that make sense? 

Chantel: It does and it, it makes me think about your coaching, I'm sure it's like a course and the one on ones, right? That you…

Tasha: It's a work in progress. Yeah. It's a work in progress.

Chantel: Could you share maybe one tip that you feel,you know, that whole speaking to your former self out of school or even now saying like, Okay, I did this. I, I think it's really unique. For you, having this experience now of like, do you need clients? Are you still growing? Cuz we get to a place where we might be like, I don't need clients. I'm moving away from behind the chair. Right. Have you found yourself needing to do Facebook Ads or learn social media or having to implement, these other ways that are kind of new for everybody to grow yourself. If there's any kind of advice you would give to people who are like, how do I make money? Because I also feel like the starting pay, I know it's always been low for hairdressers outta a school, but going into most assisting jobs is, it's like, if you, if you're not living at home, you know, that could be like..I can't be a hairdresser and can't wait to assist somebody for this amount or even assist as a receptionist. but I know every area is different. I'm just finding, I think that's an issue. It's maybe always been an issue, but I'm looking at that pay and I'm like, who can sustain themselves or family?

Tasha: Absolutely.

Chantel: On that, you know? 

Tasha: Absolutely. Yeah. So you just asked several different questions. So, let me see. I'm gonna tackle the ones that I managed to get written down while you were asking them. If I'm talking to my younger self, if I had like one piece of advice for my younger self, it would be when you walk into the salon, leave your ego at the door.
It doesn't matter if you like the person's hair when you get done. I mean, it's cool and it's fun, right? That you're like, Oh, look at this beautiful thing that I did. When those people come in to see you, at the end of the day, it's not about you. Like maybe you drew them in and they're there because of you, but it's not about you, if that makes sense.

Chantel: Right.

Tasha: I feel like 99.9% of hairstylist at some point in their career wondered, did I just make the biggest mistake of my life by choosing this as a career and am I even good at this? And you know; I'm never gonna make any money. Like, I feel like those are normal things to feel, especially in those first few years, right? Like the,The Hunger Years where you're just trying to like get your skill set together and learn how to be professional and, you know, you're kind of, mastering your skill set, right? So just remembering it's not about you.
And there's a particular story that comes to mind when I think about this. I was, really fresh. I was probably three weeks out of beauty school and I went to work for a salon. It was a chain salon. The guy, he still owns them. It's him and his brother. They've got like 800 salons all across the United States.

I'm working in this walk-in salon, three weeks out of beauty school. Very, very fresh. I did not know a thing.

I was not someone who wanted to be a hair stylist when I grew up. I knew nothing about hair. I spent more time skipping school and, getting credit for it than I did learning things in school. Like I was a terrible beauty school student. So I get my first job, I don't know a thing. I'm working in this walk-in salon.

This woman comes in, she's a regular in the salon, and everybody's busy but me, and she wants color. She's platinum blonde, but she's a regular, so she's got a color card. So literally all I have to do is pull her color card, mix this formula, apply it to her new growth. She's got four weeks worth of new growth.

So it's a very basic touch up application, mix the color, apply it fine. I put it on. And as it's processing the color on her hair is turning like smurf blue. It's so blue, and I'm like, Oh my, you know, and don't know if it had to be my energy. Like she just sensed new stylist energy, right? And it was making her nervous and anxious.

And so she starts freaking out about how I ruined her hair and calling me everything but a child of God and just being really, really, like, I don't wanna say ridiculous, because hair is important, right? But like she was just being really over the top. So I go and get my manager, my manager comes over, she's looking at it.

Long story short, it turns out that we were using a high left color, with a blue base because we were lifting through orange and we had to counteract the blue and da, da da. It was fine, like it finished processing and it was fine. But I'm dying inside, you know what I mean? While all of this is going on, I'm dying inside.

And so pretty early in I had to learn because I went back, I thought about not going back the next day. I was just gonna be honest, I really considered not going back cuz that was rough. I cried. It made me, or at least was the first time that I realized, and maybe my manager told me this, I don't remember, it's been too long ago, that, it's not about your ego, it's about satisfying the client.

And while she was being ridiculous and actually asked not to come back because she was so over the top, but like you're going to make mistakes. There's no if and buts about it. You're going to make mistakes. You're going to cut someone's hair too short. Someone's layers are gonna be too choppy. Someone's just not gonna be happy with what you did for whatever. You know what I mean? but it's not about you. It's about making them happy. And so let's look at this again and figure out what we can do to make this better. Leave your ego home. Now, you asked some questions about social media and also you mentioned, the pay scale. And I do wanna come back to that, but I wanna ask you some questions before we come back to that, if that's okay. 

Chantel:That'd be great.

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